Herland Report: It has been an honor to work with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, both publishing his articles and meeting with him on a regular basis.
He is one of the leading political economists in the USA, awarded by the Treasury Department’s for “his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy.” Dr. Roberts is also the chairman of the Institute for Political Economy, a former Wall Street editor and an author of many books.
Free intellectuals is a scarcity today. Most academics are dependent on state or private structures that demand conformity of opinion, while free thinkers such as Dr. Roberts depends on no one. It gives him a unique position to speak his mind, based on a life time of experience.
More than ever, we need intellectuals of his granditude. We had the privilege of a sit down with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, discussing the current state of affairs in America. He states:
“If there is a war, Europe is going to disappear. The Russians have already said that they will not fight another war on their territory. There are no independent governments in Europe, Washington owns them.”
“If Russia and China have insulated themselves, it would be an enormous rise in power of Russia in the East and the complete collapse of the Western power. It would be like a world revolution. That would be the last thing that the Central Banks in the West would want, because their main function is to expand Western financial hegemony.”
Founder of The Herland Report, historian Hanne Nabintu Herland: – Dr. Roberts, thank you for accommodating us so well here, as we are in America to speak to leading intellectuals about what went so wrong in this country. In Europe, we love you because you have a perspective that many do not have, as you speak in broad manners about the important issues of American foreign policy and the desire for world hegemony.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: – The are several terrible things that have happened to the United States. The worst thing that have happened in my lifetime was the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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This was absolutely the worst thing, not only for the United States but for the entire world, because it removed the only constraint on American unilateralism.
As long as the Soviet Union was there, there was a limit to Washington and its ability to bully and dominate.
It could do it in South America, excluding Cuba, it could do it in Western Europe and of course it had firm control of Japan. Yet, most of the world was immune to this kind of bullying because the Soviet Union was there as an alternative. It could check American unilateralism. Both sides pretty much knew where the line was.
Now, the neo-conservatives’ ideology is that America is a indispensable country. It is the exceptional country. Now what does it mean when you say that? If the United States is indispensable then it means everyone else are dispensable. If the United States is exceptional, then everyone else are unexceptional. It’s a claim to hegemony over mankind.
Look, what was NAFTA all about, The North American Free Trade Agreement? What is was really about was letting American banks take over Mexican banks.
The deal was that we would put industry into Mexico and they would open their banking system to takeovers. So, now I think, and I am not absolutely confident about this, but I think, that the largest owner, now, of Mexican banks are the American banks.
The Mexican participation in their own banking system now is being greatly reduced and dominated by American banks, who bought up the Mexican banks.
I think that’s the case and this was what NAFTA was about. You see, people don’t understand that. They thought that is was just us giving out jobs. It was really us taking control over the Mexican banking system.
You know, one way we can sum all this up. Many years ago,when I was a young man, I had recently got my Phd. My dissertation chairman found himself the assistant secretary of Defence for International Security Affairs, which at the time was the most powerful position in the Pentagon. He sent for me. One of his jobs was to wind-down the Vietnam war.
This was during the Nixon administration. He sent for me and I came to his office which was the size of a football field. It was massive. I couldn’t believe it was an office.
He wanted me to go to Vietnam to run the aid programs. By then I knew that Vietnam was finished. The Congress had withdrawn support and I knew that the aid programs would be one of the main sources for money.
Either I had to steal it and get rich and divide up with whoever was there for protection, or they would kill me and take it. So I told him that I didn’t think this job could no longer be done, in the way he wanted it do be done, and refused.
But I used to opportunity to ask him something that puzzled me. I asked him: “How is it that we always get foreign countries do to what we want?” He said: “Money”. I asked: “So, you mean foreign aid?” “No, we give the leaders bags full of money. We own them. They report to us.”
He didn’t approve of it, but what he was telling me was that there were no independent governments in Europe or anywhere. That we owned them. I have never forgotten this.
Some years ago, long after he had died, so I figured it could not hurt him, I wrote about this in the newspapers. I got two letters from two of his assistants who said that I was absolutely right. “That’s the exactly right. You are going to catch hell for this, but that’s absolutely right.”
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And I remember that when Tony Blair left office, one year later he is worth 50 million pounds. Where did that come from? How does the Prime Minister accumulate 50 million pounds? And it explains why no foreign leader represents the interests of their own country over the interests of Washington.
And it is why all of them have enabled the Washington’s war. They are all complicit in the refugees that are overrunning Europe.
It’s the fault of Merkel and the French president, and the Spanish, Italians and all the rest for enabling those wars. They provided the cover. Otherwise it would be viewed as American aggression. Instead, it is a “Coalition of the Willing”, democracy bringing its enterprise.
So, all this immigration that is causing all these problems in Europe, especially in Germany, which is now altering the politics of these countries, leading to the rise of the so called Right Wing elements: All of this is a result of the European leaders sacrificing the interest of their country for Washington agenda.
Hanne Herland: – What about Russia?
Dr. Roberts: – We see it also in the hostilities towards Russia. What sense does it make for any European country to be on bad terms with Russia? If there is a war, Europe is going to disappear.
Its not going to be anybody there. The Russians have already said that they will never again fight a war on our own territory.
They are telling you right there, and yet, we have all these countries like Norway and Sweden, that used to be neutral participating in NATO exercises on the Russian border. We got Poland and Romania allowing the United States to put nuclear missiles on the Russia’s border. This is like signing a death warrant for your country.
All of these people, these leaders, have supported the American coup in the Ukraine, which was an effort to grab the Russian naval base in Crimea, to cut them off from the Mediterranean, to present them with a threat in their underbelly. All of Europe supports that. They support the lies of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine.
Look, if the Russians invaded Ukraine, Ukraine wouldn’t be there. It would take them what, 48 hours? Ukraine vs Russia? There wouldn’t be a Ukraine. It makes no sense. And it makes no sense for these European leaders to align themselves with this crazy American agenda of hegemony.
The Russian threat this, and the Russian threat that. The Russians haven’t threatened anybody. Yet, we hear about it; the Russian threat.
What Russian threat? Who is the peacemaker in the world? Putin. He never responds unkind to the provocations that Washington hands him. Never. Why doesn’t Europe see this?
Don’t they understand that a conflict between the United States and Russia means the destruction of Europe?
Hanne Herland: – It is also a paradox, when looking at NATO expenses, over 70% is paid by the USA. The shift in the NATO strategy from being a defensive alliance protecting Europe, to protecting American interests world wide is remarkable. Over 90% of the heroin produced today is produced in Afghanistan. Poppy growing was forbidden by the Taliban, after US take over the heroin industry exploded. So, one wonders who is the American mafia today? Who is benefiting from all these wars?
Dr. Roberts: – A number of years ago there was an investigative reporter at the San Jose California Mercury. This was a newspaper and there was this investigative reporter writing all these reports and showing that the CIA was running the drug trade. A lot of people have written books showing that Bill Clinton, as governor of Arkansas, was cover for that. It was a part of drug-running out of South America. It was involved with the Iran Contra-Scandal and the drug money was one of the ways that they were getting the money to buy the weapons.
Well, it caused a sensation, and of course he had stepped on a very big snake, and the CIA was able to use all the newspapers to discredit him.
To turn him into some kind of “anti-American person” who was trying to discredit our intelligent service. And they ended up destroying his career. And I can’t remember if he was one of the people who eventually was suicided. A lot of times, these people who are getting in the way are found dead and the verdict is always suicide.
Well, what happened to him stopped any other journalist interest in the obvious facts, because he lost his career. So then you can’t write about this, you can’t deal with this.
Of course, this makes it easier for the CIA and if you are an intelligent service like the CIA, which has legitimate – the analyst who are supposed to provide information – but it unfortunately got married with the Black Ops part. The kind that is going around overthrowing governments and assassinating political leaders.
Where does their budget come from? That CIA has many front companies that it uses to disguise its black operations. As far as we know, many of these companies may be very profitable.
Clearly, the drug trade would be an immense revenue source for a black operation. So clearly, that part of the CIA – the unknown part – would have a great interest in running the drug business.
And you must think about who is running it. In Afghanistan, it would have to be the United States. The Taliban was against it. So, what other force is there? If it’s not the Taliban running it, it’s the CIA.
And its enormous, a source of hundreds of hundreds of billion dollars, laundered unaccountable money. What parts of the banking system help the CIA in this? Most likely all the big banks. I mean, you get right down to it, you don’t really know who controls what.