In a conversation with Joe Rogan, Dr. Robert Malone, a key figure in mRNA vaccine technology, discussing his experiences, insights, and controversies surrounding COVID-19, vaccines, psychological manipulation, public health policies, and broader societal issues.
The conversation spans from Malone’s early work on mRNA vaccines to contemporary challenges in biotechnology, information control, and global health governance.
Covid-19 Information Control: Mainstream media trust is at an all-time low due to bias and misinformation during the pandemic. Malone credits Joe Rogan’s platform for enabling independent voices and reaching audiences disillusioned with corporate media.
Political interference in science and health policy is rampant today, with references to lawfare, censorship, and impeachment efforts. Malone expresses concerns about increasing authoritarianism, especially in Europe, Canada, UK, and Australia, contrasting with some constitutional protections in the U.S. He acknowledges the complex entanglement of power and control underlying many health policies.
The discussion between Joe Rogan and Malone also highlights the concept of mass formation psychosis, a psychological phenomenon where socially isolated populations become highly susceptible to manipulation by authoritative leaders.
Robert W. Malone, MD, MS, is a virologist and immunologist and an original inventor of mRNA delivery and vaccination as a technology, DNA vaccination, and multiple non-viral DNA and RNA/mRNA platform delivery technologies. He serves on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and is the author of multiple books, the most recent of which is “PsyWar: Enforcing the New World Order,” co-written with his wife, Dr. Jill Glasspool Malone. The Drs. Malone are the founders of the Malone Institute, which focuses on issues related to government, the biological sciences, and medicine.
Covid-19 Information Control: Malone contracted COVID-19 in early 2020 and suffered from long COVID symptoms for many months, including loss of stamina and pulmonary function.
He experienced adverse events after vaccination, particularly inflammation, which he found embarrassing and difficult to discuss publicly. His cardiologist questioned his decision to take the vaccine due to his adverse reactions. Malone chose vaccination after consulting experts who assured him that delivery problems were resolved.
He experimented with repurposed drugs such as famotidine, celecoxib, and ivermectin, finding some success in mitigating symptoms. FDA and mainstream health agencies resisted approval and acceptance of ivermectin despite promising data, leading to significant controversy and censorship. Early mRNA vaccine research faced significant challenges, notably high inflammation and safety concerns in animal models (mice and monkeys).
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Covid-19 Information Control: Malone initially abandoned mRNA delivery for vaccines due to these issues but acknowledged the breakthrough work by Peter Cullis and colleagues at the University of British Columbia, who developed lipid nanoparticle formulations that improved delivery and safety. This technology underpins current Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines.
Malone and colleagues argue that governments deployed psychological warfare, nudge technology, and algorithmic censorship during the pandemic to control public opinion. Mass formation psychosis is the psychological state where isolated individuals become highly suggestible to group manipulation. The Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM), linked with the World Economic Forum, pressured Spotify to censor content, influenced by major advertisers like Coca-Cola, which has ties to the CDC.
He details how these mechanisms created a propaganda ecosystem that suppressed dissenting scientific views and alternative treatments. COVID-19 response involved significant suppression of alternative treatments like ivermectin, influenced by regulatory and corporate interests.
The pandemic accelerated awareness of systemic issues in public health policy, regulatory capture, and the influence of money and power in medicine.
Information control, psychological warfare, and propaganda have become entrenched tools used by governments and corporations, raising concerns about democracy and free speech.
It is worrying that the FDA and CDC resist repurposed drugs and for enabling a vaccine business model that guarantees profits and indemnification for manufacturers, often at the expense of full safety transparency.
Covid-19 Information Control: The vaccine schedule and mandates are described as entrenched systems, heavily influenced by pharmaceutical interests. Genetic research is uncovering risk factors for vaccine adverse events (e.g., myocarditis), promising future personalized medicine approaches.
He also raises concerns about gain-of-function research, particularly citing a Spanish lab working with USDA on African swine fever virus, which caused a major outbreak in wild hogs and jeopardizes global pork markets. He critiques policies of mass culling of poultry for avian influenza, arguing for alternative strategies such as breeding resistant chickens.
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